we're at the knee now. or just above. personally, i'm not really into anything too extreme so i'm not really for the extra shorter shorts, but if that's your thing, go for it. do swap out your massive extra long abercrombie cargos for something a little more modern like these slightly shorter, not so overwhelming ones from j. crew

and for the bolder one's among us, go for the club shorts like the ones below, or colored chinos. just keep them trim without too high of a rise.

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